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Civil War 2 7 months 1 week ago #47469

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I'm planning to use this list to create a Civil War 2 reading order. It has page numbers to read to, then read some other books, then come back to finish the first book. The problem with that (or I guess more a limitation of ComicRack) is that there isn't a notion of reading only portions of comics, or even of having little pop-ups when a book is opened. Something to remind you to read to page such and such, and then bounce you to the next book, and back to complete the first book when appropriate. Not that you could do that with print books unless they were collected into trades. So it's something I'm used to after all these years.

If anyone knows of a better list (or already has a list...) I wouldn't mind some feedback. This one is a beast. I would also appreciate a 'Must Read' list to understand it, because I think I'm going to want to just tear through this reading the minimum required. From what I understand it was pretty bad, and I didn't like the first Civil War much at all. And as a general rule I'm not much caring for the current All-New, All-Different Marvel Universe, despite some wonderful titles.

Totally Awesome Hulk #7
Totally Awesome Hulk #8
Invincible Iron Man #6 [Unofficial, not branded]
Invincible Iron Man #7 [Road To Civil War II]
Invincible Iron Man #8 [Road To Civil War II]
Invincible Iron Man #9 [Road To Civil War II]
Invincible Iron Man #10 [Road To Civil War II]
Invincible Iron Man #11 [Road To Civil War II]
Civil War II #0
Civil War II #1 [Pages 1-4]
Ms. Marvel #7 [Road To Civil War II]
Civil War II – Ulysses Infinite Comic #1
Civil War II – Ulysses Infinite Comic #2
Civil War II – Ulysses Infinite Comic #3
Civil War II – Ulysses Infinite Comic #4
Civil War II – Ulysses Infinite Comic #5
Civil War II – Ulysses Infinite Comic #6
Civil War II #1 [Pages 5-15]
Civil War II: Choosing Sides #1 [Night Thrasher story]
Civil War II – Gods Of War #1
New Avengers #12
Nova #8 [Pages 1-4]
Civil War II: Choosing Sides #1 [Damage Control story]
Civil War II #1 [Pages 16-27]
Nova #8 [Pages 5 – 15]
Deadpool #14
Deadpool #15
Deadpool #16
Deadpool #17
Deadpool #18
Spider-Man 2099 #13
Spider-Man 2099 #14
Spider-man 2099 #15
Spider-Man 2099 #16
Civil War II – Amazing Spider-Man #1
Civil War II – Amazing Spider-Man #2
Civil War II – Amazing Spider-Man #3
Civil War II – Amazing Spider-Man #4
International Iron Man #4
Civil War II: Choosing Sides #1 [Nick Fury story]
Civil War II: Choosing Sides #2 [Nick Fury story]
Civil War II: Choosing Sides #3 [Nick Fury story]
Civil War II: Choosing Sides #4 [Nick Fury story]
Civil War II: Choosing Sides #5 [Nick Fury story]
Civil War II: Choosing Sides #6 [Nick Fury story]
Captain Marvel #6
Spider-Woman #9
All-New Wolverine #8 [Road To Civil War II]
All-New Wolverine #9 [Road To Civil War II]
All-New Wolverine #10
All-New Wolverine #11
All-New Wolverine #12
Civil War II #1 [Pages 28-29]
Ultimates #7 [Road To Civil War II]
Civil War II FCBD [Free Comic Book Day]
Civil War II #1 [Pages 30-41]
Ultimates #8
Patsy Walker aka Hellcat! #8
Power Man and Iron Fist #6
A-Force #8
A-Force #9
A-Force #10
Scarlet Witch #9
Spider-Man #6
Civil War II #2 [Pages 1-12]
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. #7
Civil War II #2 [Pages 13-21]
Uncanny Inhumans #11
Uncanny Inhumans #12
Uncanny Inhumans #13
Uncanny Inhumans #14
Invincible Iron Man #12
Invincible Iron Man #13
Captain America: Sam Wilson #10
Civil War II: Choosing Sides #2 [War Machine story]
Civil War II: Choosing Sides #2 [Giant Man story]
Civil War II – X-Men #1
Civil War II – X-Men #2
Civil War II – X-Men #3
Civil War II – X-Men #4
Captain Marvel #7
Ms. Marvel #8
Ms. Marvel #9
Ms. Marvel #10
Ms. Marvel #11
Captain America: Sam Wilson #11
Captain America: Sam Wilson #12
Captain America: Sam Wilson #13
Civil War II – Kingpin #1
Civil War II – Kingpin #2
Civil War II – Kingpin #3
Civil War II – Kingpin #4
Civil War II – Gods Of War #2
Civil War II – Gods Of War #3
Civil War II – Gods Of War #4
Captain America – Steve Rogers #4
Civil War 2: Choosing Sides #5 [Alpha Flight story]
Civil War 2: Choosing Sides #5 [Colleen Wing story]
Civil War II: Choosing Sides #6 [Jessica Jones story]
Civil War II: Choosing Sides #6 [White Fox story]
Spider-Man #7
Spider-Man #8 [Pages 1-14]
Civil War II #2 [Page 22]
Civil War II #3
Spider-Man #8 [Pages 15-20]
Nova #8 [Pages 16-20]
Nova #9
Spider-Woman #10
Uncanny Avengers #13
Spider-Woman #11
Uncanny Avengers #14
Uncanny Avengers #15
Uncanny Avengers #16 [Unofficial, not branded]
Uncanny Avengers #17 [Unofficial, not branded]
All-New All-Different Avengers #13
All-New All-Different Avengers #14
All-New All Different Avengers #15
Captain Marvel #8
Power Man and Iron Fist #7
Power Man and Iron Fist #8
Power Man and Iron Fist #9
Mockingbird #6
New Avengers #13
New Avengers #14
New Avengers #15
New Avengers #16
New Avengers #17
Ultimates #9
Squadron Supreme #9
Squadron Supreme #10
Squadron Supreme #11
Squadron Supreme #12
Civil War II: Choosing Sides #3 [Kate Bishop story]
Civil War II: Choosing Sides #3 [J. Jonah Jameson story]
Civil War II: Choosing Sides #4 [Punisher story]
Civil War II: Choosing Sides #4 [Power Pack story]
Guardians of the Galaxy #11
Rocket Racoon and Groot #8
Rocket Racoon and Groot #9
Rocket Racoon and Groot #10
Venom: Space Knight #11
Venom: Space Knight #12
Ultimates #10
Ultimates #11
Civil War II #4 [Pages 1-16]
Captain Marvel #9
Captain Marvel #10
The Accused #1
The Fallen #1
Totally Awesome Hulk #9
Totally Awesome Hulk #10
Totally Awesome Hulk #11
Totally Awesome Hulk #12
Mockingbird #7
Mockingbird #8
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. #8
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. #9
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. #10
Invincible Iron Man #14
Civil War II #4 [Pages 17-22]
Civil War II #5
Civil War II #6 [Pages 1-19]
Guardians of the Galaxy #12
Guardians of the Galaxy #13
Captain America – Steve Rogers #5
Captain America – Steve Rogers #6
Thunderbolts #5
Civil War II #6 [Pages 20-22]
Spider-Man #9
Civil War II #7
Civil War II #8
Spider-Man #10
Ultimates #12
Civil War II: The Oath
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Civil War 2 7 months 6 days ago #47477

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This is actually a tricky one to place in order, it has a few issues that are supposed to tease upcoming events. Sometimes I find things easier to read in publication date order, and this is one of those events.

For example, who is going to read an issue and just read a few pages and then read loads of other stiff before coming back. The books are not meant to be read like that.

Many of the side stories are mostly thematic, and don't really contribute to the overall story and the "road to" stuff is really not related.

This is what I consider the core of the event with publication dates:

07/05 Free Comic Book Day
11/05 Ultimates 7
18/05 CWII 0
01/06 CWII 1
08/06 CWII:ASM 1
15/06 CWII 2 / Nova 8
22/06 Ultimates 8
29/06 Uncanny Inhumans 11 / Captain Marvel 6
13/07 CWII 3 / CWII:ASM 2
20/07 Ultimates 9 / Spider Man 6 / Nova 9
27/07 CWII 4 / Captain Marvel 7
03/08 Uncanny Inhumans 12 / Invincible Iron Man 12
10/08 The Accused
17/08 CWII:ASM 3 / Ultimates 10 / The Fallen
24/08 Captain Marvel 8 / Steve Rodgers 4
31/08 Spider Man 7
07/09 Invincible Iron Man 13
14/09 Uncanny Inhumans / CWII:ASM 4 / Spider Man 8
21/09 CWII 5
28/09 Ultimates 11 / Steve Rodgers 5 / Captain Marvel 9
05/10 Invincible Iron Man 14
19/10 Uncanny Inhumans 14
26/10 CWII 6 / Steve Rodgers 6 / Ultimates 12
23/11 CWII 7 / Captain Marvel 10
14/12 Spider Man 10
28/12 CW 8
25/01 CW II: The Oath
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Civil War 2 7 months 6 days ago #47479

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Thanks for the reading list. I'll probably just go with your abbreviated list.

If you check my source document it actually jumps around like this quite a bit:

Spider-Man #8 [Pages 1-14]
Civil War II #2 [Page 22]
Civil War II #3
Spider-Man #8 [Pages 15-20]

I would love to read it like this, but that's a truckload of work. I wonder if any of the groups are going to release it like this as one (or a few) massive 'collected editions'.
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Civil War 2 7 months 6 days ago #47480

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Motivated by a desire to make more $$$$, Marvel decides to revive one of the most annoying of 'events' in it's annoying event history, and releases Civil War II! In a Universe that's already a cocked-up mess this event somehow manages to make things worse! :laugh:

Read it anyway. I'm going to. Probably using the smaller list as supplied by JKTHEMAC up above. This list references the website (and list) I posted above, but as there's no mechanism for reading a few pages then jumping to another book you'll either want to ignore that or reference the original list.

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boshuda wrote:
Thanks for the reading list. I'll probably just go with your abbreviated list.

If you check my source document it actually jumps around like this quite a bit:

Spider-Man #8 [Pages 1-14]
Civil War II #2 [Page 22]
Civil War II #3
Spider-Man #8 [Pages 15-20]

I would love to read it like this, but that's a truckload of work. I wonder if any of the groups are going to release it like this as one (or a few) massive 'collected editions'.

It would make no narrative sense to read it like this. All that is doing is trying to put events into a chronological order, which is not the same thing as reading a chronology. We discussed a few of these issues over at the CBR forums, trying to decide how we would place the books between the core books, because some don't have adequate gaps, or cover huge time frames, but to try and correct it with splitting issues would make things much worse not better.

BTW this event is not as bad as the press it received. It is lacking in some nuance and characterisation if you don't read some of the supporting material, but if you at least read my list it should be an OK story.
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I suspect the list compiler you based your list on didn't notice that Gwenpool #6 is a tie-in to this event. The front cover makes this less than clear. (It is the most obtuse of tie-ins but it counts if you define a tie in as being a front cover reference. To be honest I am not sure if I do in this case. It is as if they just put a reference of the front cover to be topical because the story is unrelated.)

Also for completion there was a "Civil War II Daily Bugle Newspaper" issue.
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jkthemac wrote:

It would make no narrative sense to read it like this. All that is doing is trying to put events into a chronological order, which is not the same thing as reading a chronology. We discussed a few of these issues over at the CBR forums, trying to decide how we would place the books between the core books, because some don't have adequate gaps, or cover huge time frames, but to try and correct it with splitting issues would make things much worse not better.

BTW this event is not as bad as the press it received. It is lacking in some nuance and characterisation if you don't read some of the supporting material, but if you at least read my list it should be an OK story.

But what about the repeating of events. I remember multiple Events where a massive change would occur in the middle of an issue. Then another book would reference that change, while a different book would not. Or 12 books would all show the same change multiple times. Things like that. It always broke the narrative.

I noticed Brian Michael Bendy-Ass (an old comic shop owner nick named him that) was the 'architect', assuming they still use that term. A lot of people hate the guy so I'll bet that's where at least some of the hate is coming from. I've loved some of his stuff, hated some of his stuff, and most of it is just stuff. So I'll wait to read it before I truly decide if I like it or not.
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The time issue is more that Bendis isn't writing discrete stories. For example he writes one book that flashes back to a previous incident and some books may be set between the time frame referred to and the time it was referenced from. Where do you put books like that? I would suggest they go after the book because the information added is detail but nothing is spoiled that way.

You would need to read it to make sense of this I guess. If in doubt I always default to the order the editors chose to release things, unless there was some major delay.
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