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Re: Story Arc vs Alternate Series 5 years 10 months ago #20286

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600WPMPO wrote:
While the idea is good, implementing it would be quite tricky.
Agreed, and I certainly didn't mean to throw the conversation off-track. In the absence of multitudinous fields, I'll throw in my lot with perezmu and his two cents.
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Re: Story Arc vs Alternate Series 5 years 10 months ago #20288

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600WPMPO wrote:
Alternate series = ComicVine's Story Arc = Regenesis
Story Arc = Goodbye Chinatown
Ok, we can do it that way. ;)

I'd also humbly suggest to cYo that the field that is currently called "Alternate Series or Storyline Title" would be better named "Alternate Series or Crossover Title". A "Storyline Title" is now more properly stored in the "Story Arc" field, right?
If we look closely, mostly the story arc name is hidden in the title. e.g. Title: Goodbye Chinatown, Part One. Can the scraper be 'tricked' into pulling this out from the title?
I can give it a try, but it's difficult to get it perfectly right because, as Yellowbox says:
The title numbering is horribly inconsistent on ComicVine. "Part", "pt", "issue", "#", "no.", commas and no commas, colons and no colons, "1" or "One" or "One of Seven".
That makes it tricky to write a program to pull the right part out every time. It would help if I could come up with a complete list of how story arcs names are embedded in comic book titles. Based on what Yellowbox said, here's what I have so far (for a story arc called "A Great Story"):

A Great Story Part 1
A Great Story, Part 1
A Great Story: Part 1
A Great Story - Part 1

Plus all of those with these different variations on the word "Part":

"pt", "pt.", "#", "number", "num", "num.", "no."

Plus all of those with the following different variations on numbers:

"One", "1", "One of Five", "One of 5", "1 of 5", "1 (of 5)", "1 (of Five")

Can anyone think of any other variations?
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Re: Story Arc vs Alternate Series 5 years 10 months ago #20289

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cbanack wrote:
I'd also humbly suggest to cYo that the field that is currently called "Alternate Series or Storyline Title" would be better named "Alternate Series or Crossover Title". A "Storyline Title" is now more properly stored in the "Story Arc" field, right?
Yes, cbanack is absolutely correct. And along with this change, for users who use the Android version, the Alternate series called as (if I remember correctly) Storyline should be changed too, preferably to crossover or simply Alternate series.
cbanack wrote:
If we look closely, mostly the story arc name is hidden in the title. e.g. Title: Goodbye Chinatown, Part One. Can the scraper be 'tricked' into pulling this out from the title?
I can give it a try, but it's difficult to get it perfectly right
I have full faith in your superpowers! :laugh:
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Can anyone think of any other variations?
I guess you have got pretty much all of them. I'll try to see if I can find anything else.
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Re: Story Arc vs Alternate Series 5 years 10 months ago #20291

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cbanack wrote:
Can anyone think of any other variations?

Actually, yes. I have worked on this before over a program i'm working on related to this and TPB creation.

You need to consider also the following:

Introduction
Conclusion
Prologue

and some type of
Vol XX,
Part XX,
Chapter XX
(with XX possibly being roman numerals too).

Yes, its a major PITA to tackle this, and it will never be perfect. There are so many variations that it should be considered NP-hard just because of it.

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Last Edit: 5 years 10 months ago by forkicks. Reason: added chapter, cleared roman numeral reference as a possibility, not always the case
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Re: Story Arc vs Alternate Series 5 years 10 months ago #20306

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@forkicks: Yikes, really? Those are for Story Arcs, not crossovers?

Issues have titles like:

A Great Story: Introduction
A Great Story: Conclusion

?

If that's true, you're right, it IS a very difficult problem to solve. I was kind of counting on there being some numbers involved, at least, otherwise its pretty hard to tell the difference between a fancy title, and one that actually contains a story arc in it.

I guess the most common format is still something like:

A Great Story, Part 3
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Re: Story Arc vs Alternate Series 5 years 10 months ago #20307

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cbanack wrote:
@forkicks: Yikes, really? Those are for Story Arcs, not crossovers?

Issues have titles like:

A Great Story: Introduction
A Great Story: Conclusion

?

Check for example Deadpool (vol 1997), Healing Factor story arc, starting at issue 65:
65: Healing Factor - Prologue
66: Healing Factor chapter 1
67: Healing Factor chapter 2
68: Healing Factor chapter 3
69: Healing Factor chapter 4 (finale)

or Weapon X (2002 volume), story arc Defection, starting at 15:
15: Defection - Prologue
16: Part 1
17: Part 2
18: Part 3

Those were just some of the ones i got from a quick trace log, there are dozens of other cases, and of the ones i posted above. The chapters in, say, Paradise X, Earth X, Universe X are in roman numerals (those are limited series, but still). Or Weapon X (2002 volume), from issues 6 to 13:
6: The Underground Prologue
7: The Underground I
8: The Underground II
9: The Underground III
10: The Underground IV
11: The Underground V
12: The Underground VI
13: The Underground VII

'Tis a strange land with strange beasts, this story numbering stuff.

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Re: Story Arc vs Alternate Series 5 years 10 months ago #20310

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Blarrrrrgh. :sick:

Still, seeing examples like that is still tremendously helpful. If you find any more, please post them! The biggest danger here is that I don't collect nearly as many comics as some of you guys do, so I'm not familiar with the many different kinds of story arc titles. :unsure:
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Re: Story Arc vs Alternate Series 5 years 10 months ago #20312

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Don't think I've seen this monkey wrench posted yet, but there's a lot of story arcs with "sub-titles" like this, from Invincible Iron Man (yes, I know it belongs to the Fear Itself "crossover", but a number of ongoings had their own story arcs):

504. Fear Itself, Part 1: City of Light, City of Stone
505. Fear Itself, Part 2: Cracked Actor
506. Fear Itself, Part 3- The Apostate
507. Fear Itself Part 4 Fog of War
508. Fear Itself, Part 5: If I Ever Get Out of Here
509. Fear Itself, Part 6: Mercy

Or another example of sub-titles, from The Mighty Thor (and it doesn't say "part" or "chapter" at all!):

1. The Galactus Seed 1: The Silence
2. The Galactus Seed 2: Neighbors
3. The Galactus Seed 3: The Stranger
4. The Galactus Seed 4: To Dual Against Galactus
5. The Galactus Seed 5: God of Carnage
6. The Galactus Seed 6: The Proposition

I think there's something to be said for a method that looks at a group of titles and finds the common substring to get the story arc, and then finds a number in whatever's left. But a little research shows that the first part is a classic CS problem: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1410822/how-can-i-detect-common-substrings-in-a-list-of-strings. A little nauseating, but that's why I'm not a programmer.
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Re: Story Arc vs Alternate Series 5 years 10 months ago #20331

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Putting in my 2 cents about all this, I would say that though I have grown an appreciation for ComicVine thanks to their API setup and MOSTLY THANKS to cbanack's great usage of the API and linking it to this great software by cYo. Outside of that, I personally do not like the way that ComicVine handles characters or crossover events. I honestly prefer the way that comicbbokdb.com handles story arcs which allows you to easily take into account a book that may have multiple story arcs which can each potentially be apart of separate larger crossover events. This was the way I was hoping ComicRack would eventually go, though, I do understand that this direction might involve a major coding overhaul so it many not be feasible any time soon if ever.
So, with that said, I think the way 600WPMPO has it laid out is the best way to go at this current time in getting ComicRack to handle story arcs and crossover events in the best organized manner.
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As story arc is only in one series it does not need it's own numbering schema as it will count the same way as the series.
I also wanted to make one side note though, that not all story arcs, even contained within the same series follows along the same numbering path. Remember Zero Hour, it was read from issue #4 back towards issue #1 (or issue #0)...#4 was the first issue to be released, then, #3 and so on. So even though this was a limited series, and ws obviously apart of a larger crossover event, it is an example of a story arc in one series that doesn't count the same way as the series. I'm sure there is a better example of this out there, but this was just something to think about.
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Re: Story Arc vs Alternate Series 5 years 10 months ago #20333

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Another fine pieces:

Astonishing X-men (2004 series)

36: Monstrous, Part 1
37: Monstrous, Part 2
38: "Meanwhile" Part One
39: Monstrous, Part 3
40: "Meanwhile" Part Two
41: Monstrous, Conclusion
42: "Meanwhile", Conclusion

Intermingled arcs, different numeral/words, conclusion used for last instead of number.

44: "Exalted" Part 1
45: Exalted, Part Two
46: Exalted, Part Three

Different Numeral/words for numbers.

Exogenetic, ran from 31-35:
31: Exogenetic, Part 1
32: Exogenetic, Part 2
33: Exogenetic, Part 3
34: Exogenetic, Part 4
35: Exogenetic, Conclusion

Numerals/words mixed.

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