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ComicRack and Windows 8 2 years 6 months ago #21281

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This review mirrors exactly my opinion on Windows 8 (and I think of every non casual user).

www.livingdigitally.net/2012/03/windows-...misstep-forward.html

I was always wondering why Microsoft was making such a boneheaded move (except to outapple apple). I think the idea presented in this review that they want to finally sunset the Win32 API stuff has something going for it. And that is also why they can not make the quick fixes (reintroduce the start button etc.).
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ComicRack and Windows 8 2 years 6 months ago #21283

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forkicks wrote:
cYo wrote:
They installed two version of IE :(

and they don't even share plugins.

fK

Doesn't mean that a desktop/metro ui combo isn't possible. Whether it will get through Microsoft's review process for Market apps is another issue altogether.

In fact there is a discussion right here:
stackoverflow.com/questions/7465517/how-...desktop-app-on-the-s

I guess it's not very elegant...
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ComicRack and Windows 8 2 years 6 months ago #21285

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forkicks wrote:
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They installed two version of IE :(

and they don't even share plugins.

fK
:blink: Please tell me they at least share favourites, settings and history.


I've installed the consumer preview in a VM on my desktop to try it out. I could barely use it. From what I could see Metro would work adequately as a tablet OS but for a desktop it is just ridiculous.
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ComicRack and Windows 8 2 years 6 months ago #21312

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Stonepaw wrote:
:blink: Please tell me they at least share favourites, settings and history.

Of course they do, and I don't get all the hate against Windows 8, I lost count of the amount of times I facepalmed myself after reading this thread.

And just to add my two cents, I'm actually disappointed to hear that there isn't a Windows 8 version of ComicRack in the works, as I see you, if you started working on it now, you could be one of the first Comic Book readers in the Metro store and that will give you more discoverability, because as it is now, I had to go to the second page of Google to find you, and really, that's a bad thing. It's much easier to find apps in the Store then it is at the moment and truthfully I don't know why you aren't jumping at the opportunity except for the fact that you seem to dislike Windows 8, but I think you should think more about getting new users rather then ignoring this platform just because you dislike it because this platform is going to happen whether you like it or not and I think you should be using it to your advantage.
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ComicRack and Windows 8 2 years 6 months ago #21314

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Ukumio wrote:
..I don't get all the hate against Windows 8, I lost count of the amount of times I facepalmed myself after reading this thread.
I agree. I have been using Windows 8 for past 7-8 days, and I think it is fine. :)

From a developer's point of view, yes it was wrong to make the desktop a subset of the Metro interface. But, as an end-user, people actually like these things. They ask, "Windows 8, huh? So what is new? " Microsoft says, "The Metro interface is there".

If someone doesn't like the Metro interface, you just need a single click to go to the desktop. As for the Windows Explorer ribbon, I actually like it. The copy-paste dialog is quite cool. As for a beta software, it is sufficiently stable. And considering all that coming from a regular Apple user like me, I guess Windows 8 is not that bad as the venom suggests. :lol:
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I'm actually disappointed to hear that there isn't a Windows 8 version of ComicRack in the works, as I see you, if you started working on it now, you could be one of the first Comic Book readers in the Metro store and that will give you more discoverability, because as it is now, I had to go to the second page of Google to find you, and really, that's a bad thing. It's much easier to find apps in the Store then it is at the moment and truthfully I don't know why you aren't jumping at the opportunity except for the fact that you seem to dislike Windows 8, but I think you should think more about getting new users rather then ignoring this platform just because you dislike it because this platform is going to happen whether you like it or not and I think you should be using it to your advantage.
I again agree with this. Hope cYo reads this...
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ComicRack and Windows 8 2 years 6 months ago #21317

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This is all easy talk. Let's put the facts on the ground.

A metro version of ComicRack should be what excactly?

Should it be a replacement of the desktop version? Good luck with that, the same luck I wish Microsoft to port Office to a single task, full screen only, activity based GUI...

Should it be only a reader and for the management task you switch to the "legacy" desktop app? Good luck with that, as you will not be able to install the legacy desktop app on ARM versions of Windows 8...

Oh, and even on x86 Windows 8 you can not install from one package, but download the "legacy" (I mean the full featured) version from here and the metro app from the market. Oh, and did I mention that there is a review process for the market?

This whole thing is a mess.
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ComicRack and Windows 8 2 years 6 months ago #21319

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Ukumio wrote:
Of course they do, and I don't get all the hate against Windows 8, I lost count of the amount of times I facepalmed myself after reading this thread.

When seasoned computer professionals of over 20 years experience have to google just to find out how to shutdown the OS, something is VERY wrong. If you don't get it, no problem, keep using facebook and twitter, and playing angry birds.

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ComicRack and Windows 8 2 years 6 months ago #21320

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I think you're going about this all wrong, of course the metro app won't be as powerful as the desktop version, but then again they are two different usage types aren't they? The Metro environment is mainly for consumption, as in reading comics, while the desktop is for more powerful stuff like Photoshop, Office and other stuff like that, so make the Metro app simple, keep the basics, include some sync options between a desktop version and the app.

I mean you'd expect most of your users to copy the same files from their desktop to their tablet, so how about having the app scan the files currently in the Library for the same files on the desktop's Library and then sync the info over.

The two should complement each other, also it wouldn't be too hard to include a link to the Desktop version somewhere in the app? Maybe a button that says "Hey! Want this on your desktop too? Click here!" and maybe only show that button if the version of Windows currently running is x86.

I mean you made an app for Android that works on smartphones and tablets, so why not do the same thing here?

I mean sure, Windows 8 is a pretty big change from Windows of years pass, but it's exactly the same as when Windows moved away from DOS, same here, so instead of being left behind and now allowing me to read my comics on your software on my tablet while I'm on the bus, train, plane, toilet or bed, how about changing a little.

Also can you make an app for my Windows Phone? Just saying, while your at it.

I mean, at the moment the only reason I've seen you give for not making an app is because you don't like it or you can't make a full featured app version of the desktop program.....Well you made an app for android...

Also, just noticed cYo's edit, and in response: OH NOES!!!! A REVIEW PROCESS THAT MAKES SURE I GET QUALITY APPS AND NOT SHIT BUCKETS LIKE HALF THE PROGRAMS FOR WINDOWS CURRENTLY FLOATING AROUND THE INTERNET! BAD MICROSOFT FOR MAKING SURE THE APPS LOOK GOOD AND DON'T HAVE ANY NASTY STUFF IN THEM!!!! /s

(Also to fK, Windows 8 doesn't really need to be turned off, but if you really need to, you can just press the power button on your PC or laptop or even your tablet, you don't need to hunt it down, just saying)
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ComicRack and Windows 8 2 years 6 months ago #21322

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Ukumio wrote:
(Also to fK, Windows 8 doesn't really need to be turned off, but if you really need to, you can just press the power button on your PC or laptop or even your tablet, you don't need to hunt it down, just saying)

Yes, it does. The power bill says it does. Besides, at work, we have the main PC's behind the desks so that the hot air exhausts go straight into the AC pipes. There's no way we can go over the desks to the power buttons. But guess what. That has NEVER been a problem with ANY OS up to this point. Right now, with windows 8? We had to create shortcuts to "shutdown -t 0 -s" in the desktop just to turn them off. (And they turn on with a key press, before you go all "a-ah! how do you start them then?").

The main problem with it is the way microsoft chose to remove choice from every single aspect of the OS. You -have- to use metro (there's no start menu), you -have- to use the app store, heck, you -have- to use light blue for the Windows 8 Server UI (and metro) because its not configurable! All windows so far have been, probably more so than linux, the most open platforms around. Now they are worse than apple.

They are probably just giving what the users want. The vast majority just want facebook, twitter, web browsing and angry birds. Lets create an OS that does just that. Screw the rest of the people that actually have to work the system. I'm a sysadmin at a university. My team and i manage over 2000 Windows PCs, Microsoft Exchange Server farms, SQL server clusters, 3 Active Directory Domains. When the people that control acquisitions realized they were going to have to retrain the whole workforce to use a completely -new- OS (because this should not even be called windows anymore, there are none in metro), they just laughed. We will skip this just as we did Vista.

And there are great new things under the hood. The problem is that you have to go through the interface to get at them.

Notice that this would all be fixed if, like on every single windows version before, "Classical Desktop" was an option (currently under system->performance). Then whoever wanted metro could use it, whoever wanted to actually do something, could also do it. Its just arrogance at this point that prevents this. They even removed the registry option to replace explorer.exe as your shell with something else.

Check this interview with Stardock CEO Brad Wardell: start8 interview. They realized the problem and created a start menu replacement and are working on ways to put metro apps -on windows- on the desktop.

fK
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ComicRack and Windows 8 2 years 6 months ago #21323

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When Windows moved away from DOS (and I've been on the windows boat since 1.0) it got more powerful. Suddenly I could run multiple apps at the same time, had multitasking etc.

Oh wait, what do I get in Metro? Singletasking and full screen only apps on my quadcore 8 GB with 2 24 inch monitors. Great advancement.

Your idea that the desktop is for the more powerful apps is something you should tell MS. As the Desktop is clearly labeled as the Legacy mode (and only sticking around for backwards compatibility - and therefore not supported on every hardware platform).

I would have no problem with Metro tablets. Cause for the more taxing tasks I would switch to the desktop. Except now the desktop is the same as the tablet, only the fonts are bigger, there's more empty space and I've to fight with the mouse to interact with touch apps.
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